Do it well, make it fun成功需要乐趣
Ron Culberson spent the first part of his professional career working in a large hospice organization as a clinical social worker, manager, and senior leader. As a speaker and humorist, Ron has delivered 1, 000 presentations to more than 120, 000 people in more than 700 associations, government agencies, nonprofit organizations, and corporations. Ron is the 2012-2013 president of the National Speakers Association and is a nationally recognized expert on the benefits of humor and laughter. He is the author ofDo It Well. Make It Fun.: The Key to Success in Life, Death, and Almost Everything in Between, as well as Is Your Glass Laugh Full?, My Kneecap Seems Too Loose, and is a contributing author for Humor Me and Chicken Soup for the Nurses Soul II.
In this interview, Ron talks about his two step approach to success, how to make your job more enjoyable, how to get good at something, and more.
How did you come up with the two step approach in your book and what inspired it?
I did my graduate thesis in social work on the relationship between humor and depression. As a result, I began offering short presentations on the therapeutic benefits of humor. The program evolved over the years and in 1996, I began speaking and writing full time about the relationship between humor and several different topics such as communication, leadership, stress management, etc.
In time, however, I began to realize that humor or fun without excellence can actually work against you because the credibility is not there. When I looked at my own success in management and leadership, I saw that if I did a good job AND was fun/funny, I was actually more effective. So, I coined the phrase “do it well, make it fun” and now, I show people that this two-step concept can apply to just about anything. It boils down to looking at everything we do as a process and that each process has steps. If we look at the steps, there is great potential for improvement and fun.
What if you can’t get a job that you’re excited about? What do you do?
Once I started my business, I believed more than ever that there is a great job out there for all of us. That being said, it’s not always easy to find. My career evolved over a decade as I kept trying different types of jobs. While I liked each one, it wasn’t until I started speaking and writing that I felt I had found my calling. So, I think there are two approaches. One approach is to spend our lives looking for that calling. This may require taking risks, pursuing jobs that may not work out, and doing things we don’t particularly like to get to the things we like. I love to read about famous authors. Most of them had “real” jobs but wrote whenever they could – in the early morning, late at night, etc. So, their day job allowed them to pursue their passion.
Eventually, they were able to write full time (a rarity for sure). The other approach is to find a way to make a job you don’t love more enjoyable. As I mentioned earlier, a job is nothing more than a series of processes. If we take each process and analyze what we don’t like, there is potential to make it better. For instance, I recall a study that said that 85% of the people surveyed hated meetings. Well, if meetings are part of our jobs, what are we doing to make them less miserable? We have much more control over our day than we often realize. You can see this whenever you encounter someone in a job that most of us would not want and yet that person has a great attitude. They decided to make the job better.
How does someone get really good at something? Do you need to have natural ability?
I love the book by Geoff Colvin called “Talent is Overrated.” In that book, he suggests that talent is a combination of many factors. It’s our innate skills plus practice and the development of some intuitive abilities. One example he gives is wide receiver Jerry Rice. He said that Rice would practice the things that he needed for his particular position in addition to the normal team practices. As a result, he developed very specific skills and is considered by many to be one of the greatest players of all time.
Part of the challenge is that we’re not good at evaluating our own skills. We tend to overestimate our abilities – that’s why we all think we’re good drivers! But if we’re willing to gather data from our own work and get feedback from others, we can see where we need to improve. Once we understand what needs improvement, there are classes, mentors, coaches, and other resources to help us get better. We all have some natural abilities but that doesn’t mean we can’t also develop our skills. I am funny (not necessarily evidenced in my responses to your questions, however) but I also work at being funnier by studying other funny people, writing humor, getting feedback from others, etc. And just because someone doesn’t have natural abilities doesn’t mean they can’t get better at something.
How can someone make the most of their day and best manage their time?
This is an area I struggle with every day! While I work hard at being good at my job, I am also easily distracted. In fact, I’ve checked my email and searched for a song on the internet while I was writing these responses. So, I have to work at it. My suggestion is to determine when you work best (morning, afternoon) and then do the tough work at that time so you’re more focused. In addition, I think it’s important to manage emails, phone calls, and other distractions. Stephen Covey said we focus too much on the unimportant and non urgent items during our day because they’re easy. Instead, we should focus on the long-term important items even though they’re not urgent.
I’ve tried a number of techniques and the best system that worked for me was to set aside a certain amount of time each day for the important items on my to-do list and really focus on those items during that time. So, for instance, if I’m writing, I try not to answer email or the phone for that focused writing time. Or, I set aside an hour at the end of the day to wrap up all the administrative tasks for the day rather than doing them throughout the day when I should be doing something more important. There are many good books out there on time management and I would suggest reading few and then creating a system that works for your particular style.
What tips do you have for people who don’t have a job right now?
A number of my friends/colleagues have been through this recently and it can be very frustrating. At the same time, it can be a good time to reassess the future. Once, during my career, my job was eliminated. I was offered something completely different. I took it because it was a great match for my skills and I love it. But it also took me out of the field of social work which was my profession. Sometimes we get locked into thinking that we have to do the same thing or find the same kind of job instead of getting creative and looking for a different match for our skills.
I read a great story years ago about a snowshoe company that was struggling. Instead of closing their doors, they took their skill of bending wood and started making furniture. They saw a new opportunity and took advantage of it. The hard thing right now is that normal jobs are harder to come by. The good thing is there has probably never been a better time in our history when there are so many different ways to make a living. So, I believe the goal is to identify the best fit between gifts and skills and the job so that as you pursue new opportunities, you more likely to get something congruent with who you are. Then, the work becomes much more fulfilling.
罗恩•克罗森的职业早期曾在一个大的收容所做临床社会工作者，经理和高级领导。作为一个发言人和极具幽默的人，罗恩已经在700多家组织，政府机构，非营利性组织和公司里对120000人做过1000次演讲。罗恩是2012-2013年度NSA的主席，是一个公认的幽默和笑声利益的专家。他著有书籍：做好它，并使它有趣：生活与死亡中成功的关键，以及两者间的一切，还著有你的微笑之杯满溢了吗？
在这次采访中罗恩讨论了两步能成功的方法，如何使你的工作更加的愉悦，如何使自己善于做某事，等等。
你是如何在你的书中想出两步成功法，什么激励你想到这种方法？
我的大学毕业论文是关于幽默和沮丧关系的社会工作。我那时就开始做一些关于幽默的治疗作用的演讲。这个项目在以后的几年里不断的演变，在1996，我开始全职演讲和写作关于幽默和几个不同的话题比如交流，领导力，压力处理等。
然而，我及时地意识到没有成就的幽默或乐趣实际上会起到负面作用，因为它没有可信性。回顾我自己在管理和领导力上的成功时，我发现如果我做的极好又很有乐趣时，我实际上就会更加有效率。所以我独钻了一个新词“做得好，有乐趣”，现在我想人们展示我的两步成功法能应用到任何事情上。总结起来，我们把任何我们做的事情当做一个过程，每个过程都有步骤。如果我们看这些步骤的话，可以知道他们还有极大的潜力进行改进和乐趣。
如果你找不到你一个你感兴趣的工作那该怎么办？你又是怎么做的？
当我开始我自己的生意时，我更加相信我们大家都能找到自己喜欢的工作，但是说起来容易，感兴趣的工作确实是不好找。我开始的头10年的职业生涯，我一直在尝试不同类型的工作。尽管我喜欢每一个工作，但是直到我开始演讲和写作，我才发现这才是我真正想要的。因此，我认为找到自己真正想要的工作有两个方法。第一个方法是，我们花费毕生的精力去寻找。这种方法很冒险，做一系列自己不想做的工作，做自己极其不想做的事情从而从中找到自己真正喜欢的工作。我爱读一些关于著名作家的书籍。他们都有自己“真正”的工作，但是他们无论何时都会写作，有时在凌晨，有时在深夜等等，因此他们的日常的工作允许他们去追求自己的理想。
最终，他们能够全职写作。另一种方法就是，找一种能够让你不喜欢的工作变得喜欢。就如我以前提到的一样，工作不过是一系列的过程步骤。如果我们将每个步骤拿出来，将其好好分析一下我们不喜欢什么，那么我就有可能将其做得更好。例如，一项研究表明85%的被调查对象讨厌开会。那么如果会议是我们工作的一部分，那么我们应该怎么做使我们的工作不那么的难受呢？我们其实比我们想象的更能掌控我们的每一天。你能看到，无论什么时候你工作中遇到某人，大多数人不喜欢自己的工作，但是他们都有一个积极的态度去对待工作。他们决定将自己的工作做得更好。
一个人该如何真正做好某事，你需要有天赋吗？
我喜欢杰夫的一本叫做《别高估天赋》的书。在那本书里，他建议天赋是许多因素的结合。天赋是我们固有的技能加实践加直觉的发展。他举的例子是他的外接手赖斯。他说赖斯会实践一些他在特殊位置上需要的东西。结果，他们练就了一些具体的技能，从而一直被很多人公认为最伟大的球员之一。
挑战的一部分是我们不善于评估我们自己的技能。我们常高估我们自己的能力---那也是为什么我们都觉得自己是个好司机。但如果我们愿意积累过往我们工作的数据以及他们的反馈的话，我们就能看到我们哪里需要改进。一旦我们知道自己哪里需要改进，我们可以去上课，找导师，教练，以及其他的资源来提升我们自己。我们都有一些自然的能力，但是那不意味着我们不能开发我们自己的技巧。我很幽默（但是没必要在你的问题中显现），但是我还一直通过研究其他幽默的人，写幽默，从其他人那里得到反馈等方式让自己变得更加幽默。不能因为别人没有这种自然的能力就表明别人不能够在某事上做得更好。
如何更好的利用自己的每一天，最好地管理好自己的时间？
这是我每天一直在努力做到的。当我在努力工作时，我也很容易被分散注意力。事实上，我在回复的同时也在查看邮件并在网上搜索歌曲。我建议，你要决定什么时间你的工作效率最高（上午，下午），然后在这段时间内做棘手的工作，这样你能够更加的集中精力。另外，我认为处理好邮件，电话及其他分散精力的事情是很重要的。柯维称白天我们浪费太多的时间在不重要且不紧急的事情上了，因为这些事情很容易。相反，我们应该集中精力做哪些不紧急但却是长期重要的事情。
我已经尝试过很多的技巧和最好的体系来帮助我腾出一些时间做那些列出来的重要事情，而且在这段时间内我就真正地集中精力做这些事情。比如说，如果我写作，我就不会在写作的时间段去回复邮件或接电话。或者我会在每天结束工作时腾出一个小时的时间来处理行政工作，而不是整天在我应该做重要事情的时候做这些事情。世面上有很多关于时间管理的书籍，我建议你们多基本相关的书籍，然后找到真正属于自己风格的方法。
对于那些现在没有工作的人，您有什么建议吗？
许多我的朋友或同事进来都失业在家，这是很令人沮丧的事情。同时，这也是重新评估未来的一个好时机。曾经，在我的职业生涯中，我被开除。有人提供给我一个完全不同的工作。我接受了，因为我认为这个工作很适合我的技能而且我很喜欢这个工作。但是这个工作也让我完全脱离了我社会工作的专业领域。有时，我们会有一个僵硬的思维模式：我们必须找同类的工作而不是找一个完全创新性的工作。
几年前我读过一个关于雪鞋公司奋斗的伟大故事。他们没有关门大吉，相反，他们利用他们弯曲木材的技能开始了他们的家具生意。他们看到了一个新的机会并且利用了这个机会。目前困难的事情是正常的工作很难找。而好的事情是我们面临历史上前所未有的好时代，我们有很多种谋生的机会。所以，我相信，现在的目标是在天赋，技能和工作之间找到一个切合点，这样你更可能找到适合你自己的工作，到那时，工作就会更令人满意。
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